Hur viktigt är Bensinen för F1 stallen?
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Ankan
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ja... det är väll bara för dig att ge dig ut på vägarna och testa själv. Kör en tank med 95,96 och 98 så ser och känner du skillnaderna på effekt, bränsleförbrukning. Tänk sen på att f1 motorer är mycket kännsligare... Detta gör att det naturligtvis är en ofantlig skillnad att köra på 2-hands Jet (av varierande blandning) eller att köra på Shell 98...
(Vem var det nu som körde med Shell?)
(Vem var det nu som körde med Shell?)
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Ankan
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Lite svårt när jag inte har körkortOn 2002-02-21 15:51, Integralmannen wrote:
ja... det är väll bara för dig att ge dig ut på vägarna och testa själv. Kör en tank med 95,96 och 98 så ser och känner du skillnaderna på effekt, bränsleförbrukning. Tänk sen på att f1 motorer är mycket kännsligare... Detta gör att det naturligtvis är en ofantlig skillnad att köra på 2-hands Jet (av varierande blandning) eller att köra på Shell 98...
(Vem var det nu som körde med Shell?)
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Går man några år tillbaka så var det viktigaste att det var jämn kvalitet på soppan. Eftersom man optimerat motorn efter förutsättningarna på bensinen.On 2002-02-21 13:35, Ankan wrote:
Hur viktigt är utvecklingen av bensinen? Tjänar dom HK på Soppan m.m?
Inom rally-sporten så brukade VM-stallen åka runt i Värmland och kolla upp de olika mackarna och testa bensinen och dessutom förhöra sig om att det inte skulle komma några leveranser med ny soppa, för att säkerställa att de fick samma bensin hela tiden.
En annan lösning var att åka ut till Dolling på BP och köpa Race-soppa i fat. Problemet var att skulle man åka utomlands så var rederierna inte så glada när de öppna servicebilen och hittade några fat bensin i den.
Numera så är alla deltagare tvugna att köra på samma bensin i Rally-VM. Det utses ett bolag som får förse alla startande med soppa till tävlingarna.
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Pastis
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Från Shells mediasajt:
From a V10 Formula One engine to your car
The Shell fuel and oil fed to Michael Schumacher's and Rubens Barrichello's F1 cars are not widely different from the fuel drivers can fill up with at Shell service station around the world. Simon Dunning works to develop the motor oil for Shell and says that the main aim of the oil is to achieve "continual development where efficiency is achieved with durability."
The right lubricant can save power that would otherwise be lost through friction, but not at the expense of engine durability. Because Shell can develop the materials needed to fuel and lubricate a championship winning team, the learning and world-class technology gets directly transferred to the engines of everyday cars. Shell fuels and lubricants have the sternest and the best testing ground of all, Formula One.
Shell fuels for the Ferrari Formula One car can only contain the same components used in commercial fuel. Lead-Free fuel has been required in Formula One since 1992, thanks in a large measure to Shell's efforts, and in the hugely competitive world of Formula One where a hundredth of a second can mean the difference between success and failure, improvements in fuel can make a huge difference.
As for the differences between the fuel in Formula One and the forecourt, differences in the fuels reflect the differences in the cars. Firstly, the fuel Shell uses in Formula One is the final product of the finest strains of oil from Shell's refineries all around the world. Secondly, Shell fuel and lubricants used in Formula One are developed specifically for the Formula One Ferrari car and engine. Whilst Shell fuel on sale at filling stations must efficiently cope with every type and condition of engine, the Formula One team can develop the fuel and lubricants that will be used exclusively in a high performance, high revving engine and gearbox. As Ferrari engineers continue throughout the season to improve the car, Shell fuel engineers work closely with them, adapting to constantly evolving engine specifications and varying circuit demands.
Each year changes in Ferrari's engine design will occur, requiring a re-optimized oil for the season. The constant changes in the lubricants used for the Formula One car mean that Shell's engineers can constantly develop new fuels for the road. The key to finding the perfect engine oil is maximizing its viscosity or thickness so that it allows the engine or parts to move freely whilst not allowing the parts to wear. This is as true for a Formula One car as it is of a road car. However, the engines, which power these machines, differ enormously. Shell must develop lubricants for Formula One that will protect an engine revving at speeds of over 17,000 RPM for nearly two hours and an oil that will protect an engine that may rev only as high as 5,000 RPM but may run for 40,000 km before the oil is replaced.
Ian Galliard, Market Sector manager for Shell motorsport, described the relationship between Shell and Ferrari as being a three-stage relationship. There is the supply of the fuel and lubricants to the Formula One operation and to Maranello for the road cars. Secondly, the relationship offers an opportunity to foster the support and development of the fuel and lubricants, with Shell providing the services of experts at the trackside such as Tobias Tasche and Mike Macknay at every race. Finally, the fact that the contract between Shell and Ferrari has been renewed to 2005 allows the two companies to develop products together with a long-term eye to the future seasons and cars.
Although the cars are vastly different, it is in the Formula One car that the fuel and lubricants are developed and the knowledge is transferred to the fuel and oil in the Shell filling stations. The oil for the Formula One car is based on the technology of Shell Helix Ultra and any improvements made to the oil in the Formula One car results in the learning being transferred to the entire range of Shell Helix Motor Oils. This is why Shell chooses to advertise the Helix range of oil at Grand Prix around the world, to reinforce the message that if Shell lubricants can cope with the demands of a Ferrari, then imagine what they could do for a normal car. Equally if the Shell fuel in the Formula One car can comfortably cope with the hot, fast and severe environment of a Formula One engine, then it will also provide superior protection and power for the engines in standard road cars. In fact, it is not just the products that are developed in Formula One that find their way to the filling stations; working with the Formula One World Champions demands a rapid response, listening carefully to their needs and creating the best possible solution. This is passed right through the company ensuring that you receive the same service as the Formula One World Champions.
From a V10 Formula One engine to your car
The Shell fuel and oil fed to Michael Schumacher's and Rubens Barrichello's F1 cars are not widely different from the fuel drivers can fill up with at Shell service station around the world. Simon Dunning works to develop the motor oil for Shell and says that the main aim of the oil is to achieve "continual development where efficiency is achieved with durability."
The right lubricant can save power that would otherwise be lost through friction, but not at the expense of engine durability. Because Shell can develop the materials needed to fuel and lubricate a championship winning team, the learning and world-class technology gets directly transferred to the engines of everyday cars. Shell fuels and lubricants have the sternest and the best testing ground of all, Formula One.
Shell fuels for the Ferrari Formula One car can only contain the same components used in commercial fuel. Lead-Free fuel has been required in Formula One since 1992, thanks in a large measure to Shell's efforts, and in the hugely competitive world of Formula One where a hundredth of a second can mean the difference between success and failure, improvements in fuel can make a huge difference.
As for the differences between the fuel in Formula One and the forecourt, differences in the fuels reflect the differences in the cars. Firstly, the fuel Shell uses in Formula One is the final product of the finest strains of oil from Shell's refineries all around the world. Secondly, Shell fuel and lubricants used in Formula One are developed specifically for the Formula One Ferrari car and engine. Whilst Shell fuel on sale at filling stations must efficiently cope with every type and condition of engine, the Formula One team can develop the fuel and lubricants that will be used exclusively in a high performance, high revving engine and gearbox. As Ferrari engineers continue throughout the season to improve the car, Shell fuel engineers work closely with them, adapting to constantly evolving engine specifications and varying circuit demands.
Each year changes in Ferrari's engine design will occur, requiring a re-optimized oil for the season. The constant changes in the lubricants used for the Formula One car mean that Shell's engineers can constantly develop new fuels for the road. The key to finding the perfect engine oil is maximizing its viscosity or thickness so that it allows the engine or parts to move freely whilst not allowing the parts to wear. This is as true for a Formula One car as it is of a road car. However, the engines, which power these machines, differ enormously. Shell must develop lubricants for Formula One that will protect an engine revving at speeds of over 17,000 RPM for nearly two hours and an oil that will protect an engine that may rev only as high as 5,000 RPM but may run for 40,000 km before the oil is replaced.
Ian Galliard, Market Sector manager for Shell motorsport, described the relationship between Shell and Ferrari as being a three-stage relationship. There is the supply of the fuel and lubricants to the Formula One operation and to Maranello for the road cars. Secondly, the relationship offers an opportunity to foster the support and development of the fuel and lubricants, with Shell providing the services of experts at the trackside such as Tobias Tasche and Mike Macknay at every race. Finally, the fact that the contract between Shell and Ferrari has been renewed to 2005 allows the two companies to develop products together with a long-term eye to the future seasons and cars.
Although the cars are vastly different, it is in the Formula One car that the fuel and lubricants are developed and the knowledge is transferred to the fuel and oil in the Shell filling stations. The oil for the Formula One car is based on the technology of Shell Helix Ultra and any improvements made to the oil in the Formula One car results in the learning being transferred to the entire range of Shell Helix Motor Oils. This is why Shell chooses to advertise the Helix range of oil at Grand Prix around the world, to reinforce the message that if Shell lubricants can cope with the demands of a Ferrari, then imagine what they could do for a normal car. Equally if the Shell fuel in the Formula One car can comfortably cope with the hot, fast and severe environment of a Formula One engine, then it will also provide superior protection and power for the engines in standard road cars. In fact, it is not just the products that are developed in Formula One that find their way to the filling stations; working with the Formula One World Champions demands a rapid response, listening carefully to their needs and creating the best possible solution. This is passed right through the company ensuring that you receive the same service as the Formula One World Champions.
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Ovanstående är en text som samtliga pljebolag ställer upp på. Ändra från Shell till Mobil, Agip, Elf eller vad som helst och det blir samma sak.
Bränslet måste vara fritt från vissa komponenter och innehålla andra. Har man bränsle av hög godkänd kvalité så har det ingen större betydelse vilket man väljer. Bränslets temperatur har viss inverkan på dess förmåga att inehålla löst syre, således får bränsletemperaturen inte sänkas med kylanläggning eller dyl. Det är reglerat vad avvikelsen får vara från den ambienta (omkringliggande) temperaturen.
Olja däremot är avsevärt viktigare för motorkomponenternas friktion och värmeavledning, för att undvika "fastbränning" och tillförlitlig smörjning.
Om mindre än en vecka har Ferarri 10P och Fisichella 6P
Bränslet måste vara fritt från vissa komponenter och innehålla andra. Har man bränsle av hög godkänd kvalité så har det ingen större betydelse vilket man väljer. Bränslets temperatur har viss inverkan på dess förmåga att inehålla löst syre, således får bränsletemperaturen inte sänkas med kylanläggning eller dyl. Det är reglerat vad avvikelsen får vara från den ambienta (omkringliggande) temperaturen.
Olja däremot är avsevärt viktigare för motorkomponenternas friktion och värmeavledning, för att undvika "fastbränning" och tillförlitlig smörjning.
Om mindre än en vecka har Ferarri 10P och Fisichella 6P
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Ankan
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Minns att Ferrari kylde sitt bränsle under kvalen förra året.On 2002-02-24 18:54, zz wrote:
Ovanstående är en text som samtliga pljebolag ställer upp på. Ändra från Shell till Mobil, Agip, Elf eller vad som helst och det blir samma sak.
Bränslet måste vara fritt från vissa komponenter och innehålla andra. Har man bränsle av hög godkänd kvalité så har det ingen större betydelse vilket man väljer. Bränslets temperatur har viss inverkan på dess förmåga att inehålla löst syre, således får bränsletemperaturen inte sänkas med kylanläggning eller dyl. Det är reglerat vad avvikelsen får vara från den ambienta (omkringliggande) temperaturen.
Olja däremot är avsevärt viktigare för motorkomponenternas friktion och värmeavledning, för att undvika "fastbränning" och tillförlitlig smörjning.
Om mindre än en vecka har Ferarri 10P och Fisichella 6P
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Lemon
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Vilket skämt! Varför skulle något stall vilja kyla sitt bränsle under kvalet? Då kör man ändå med så lite soppa att det vore betydelselöst. Däremot snackades det säsongen 2000 att bl.a Ferrari planerade att kyla bränslet inför racen för att få plats med mer soppa. Nu blev det aldrig aktuellt efter som FIA förklarade att man inte skulle godkänna kylt bränsle.